Many Evangelicals think of Lee Strobel as the man who can cure your doubts about their religion. In reality, all of Strobel’s hand-chosen stable of house experts are evangelical protestant apologists, and only 2 (possibly 3) out of 13 of them even have historical credentials to begin with. That’s not special. Support Truth. Max Ströbel 20. Paul declared Jesus to be “Son of God” with power, by the resurrection from the dead. It was the first University in the UK to list Carriers’ books on Jesus mythicism in its curriculum. ” If we are not sure that the New Testament represents actual history, then even the title “NT historian” makes a mockery of real historians.”, You can conclude the New Testament is entirely fictitious and still be a historian who is an expert in it- e.g. Matthew 2: 13, and that Herod slew all of the children two years of age or under in Bethlehem. In stores 3/27. There were times, however, when I went over the ethical edge. It goes like this: His parents encouraged him to believe in God, and brought the children to Lutheran church regularly. If these events are historical, why is it that later, during Jesus active period, no one, not even his family, seem to know of his marvelous origins, Matt.13: 54-55, If a conception took place would not Mary have some idea just as to who Jesus was? @2021 - AlterNet Media Inc. All Rights Reserved. Lee Strobel (www.LeeStrobel.com), with a journalism degree from the University of Missouri and a Master of Studies in Law degree from Yale Law School, was the award-winning legal editor of the Chicago Tribune and a spiritual skeptic until 1981. Blomberg completed his PhD in New Testament, specializing in the parables and the writings of Luke-Acts, at Aberdeen University in Scotland. In 2018, his assistant accused him of sexually harassing her during this same period, and he quickly retired, which prompted ten additional women to come forward and accuse him of sexual harassment. His classic, The Case for Christ, is a perennial favorite which details his conversion to Christianity. It wasn’t until over a decade later—and after writing three books in defense of evangelical Christianity—he had the idea to select a line-up of Evangelical academics who support his view and lob softball questions at them, all under the guise of a “tough skeptic.”. Tarico: What about the points raised by these experts? Many Evangelicals think of Lee Strobel as the man who can cure your doubts about their religion. An atheist with her husband, she slowly came to believe the claims of Christianity as she saw faith at work in the lives of others and in the circumstances of her life. Lee Strobel Lee Strobel Kundenrezensionen Die Bücher der Lee Strobel haben allesamt einen ganz gewissen Flair. I received my PhD from Aberdeen. Atheist-turned-Christian Lee Strobel, former award-winning legal editor of The Chicago Tribune, is a New York Times bestselling author of more than forty books and curricula that have sold fourteen million copies. And we’re proud to say that we’ve been bringing you the real, unfiltered news for 20 years—longer than any other progressive news site on the Internet. Needless to say, this bizarre theory didn’t pan out, and Vardaman was removed from his academic position. “We believe the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the inspired Word of God, inerrant in the original writings, complete as the revelation of God’s will for salvation, and the supreme and final authority in all matters to which they speak.” This kind of a priori faith commitment is fundamentally incompatible with the work of a historian. Because if there is a god that’s anything like what Christians preach, he doesn’t need their sleight of hand to prop him up—does he? Tarico: You’ve taken some heat for your writings too—especially your argument that the New Testament stories about Jesus are historicized mythology instead of mythologized history. Has Mary forgotten that Jesus was supernaturally conceived in such a way as was never experienced by any other person? …like using ploys to mislead crime victims and witnesses . One famous incident from the University was taken to be at the forefront of signaling the closing of a predominant Christian Britain https://academic.oup.com/ehr/article/CXXVII/525/345/395412 The Divinity department is a leading center for secular Biblical research in the world. 2. Subscribe at ValerieTarico.com. This quote from a recent book is typical of Strobel’s rhetoric: I was determined to reach whatever verdict was warranted by the hard evidence of history and the cool demands of reason. Sie versteht es, den Leser an der Nase. So right out of the gate, we have some serious credibility problems. He is the author of several books including the Gold medallion Award-winning books The Case for Christ, and The Case for Faith. But there’s Hollywood bullshit, and then there is a deeper, more insidious kind of bullshit. ( Log Out /  Even today, he keeps up his “tough skeptic” schtick. His fan base is led to believe he was a diehard atheist who was converted by these interviews. He has a pretty long and substantiated record of playing loose with the facts in order to score an ideological point (e.g. I feel silly taking the time to respond to the failed fabrications of an atheist who posted a hit job about me online. “Ph.D. Strobel has stated he was an atheist before he converted to Christianity. Might you be able to point to one of these? CONCEPTION OF JESUS. Now I chuckle at how shame and guilt worked their wiggly religious fingers into my psyche around the whole thing. Do you know anything about the Templeton Foundation? Strobel, based on David’s observations, is just another “liar for Jesus.” I always doubted his “atheist” story. Either they are misquoted by Strobel, as one of them has admitted—or they are acting as flat-out propagandists. The phrase people in glass houses shouldn’t throw bricks rather springs to mind. Lee Strobel | Lee Strobel Lee Strobel has announced the launch of a free, four-week online video Bible study, which will investigate the historical and logical veracity of the account of the birth and divinity of Jesus beginning Nov. 30. She, Mary revealed no such understanding to his followers. Author of Trusting Doubt: A Former Evangelical Looks at Old Beliefs in a New Light. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Either they are misquoted by Strobel, as one of them has admitted—or they are acting as flat-out propagandists. Filed under Easter, Newsletters. Recently, you have been on the speaking circuit talking about Strobel, and you mention another infamous case, Antony Flew. Even so, one might argue that Strobel assembled bad evidence in good conscience. Thank you for the Ms. Knight link. Her articles about religion, reproductive health, and the role of women in society have been featured at sites including The Huffington Post, Salon, The Independent, Free Inquiry, The Humanist, AlterNet, Raw Story, Grist, Jezebel, and the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies. Bishop Elphinstone, Bishop of Aberdeen and Chancellor of Scotland wanted to train clergy for communities in the North of Scotland and research and teaching has continued from 1495 to the current day. People raised in a christian home, yet bad. Fitzgerald: (laughs) Yes! So why don’t you come along with me on this investigative adventure? Mega-church superstar, Bill Hybels of Willow Creek. Fitzgerald: Absolutely. . Without those, it doesn’t matter how you were raised. After all, as Jesus himself cautioned, what you believe about Him has very real consequences. The skeptical stance is merely a literary device, because he fails to ask the questions or consult the experts who could show him wrong. But, jumping back, what about this story about him setting out as an investigator to dissuade his newly religious wife? . . Tarico: The problem with Strobel’s books is pretty easy to spot: It’s confirmatory thinking. It appears that the unique miraculous conception came into circulation long after the deaths of the people in this story. He is careful about what he claims explicitly, but the popularity of his franchise rests on this pivot, the idea of a hard-headed skeptic who set out to prove Christianity wrong but was just blown away by the evidence and had to surrender to Christ. I also find it amusing that Fitzgerald is chiding Strobel for offering fluff, misinformation and noting his works in need of fact checking given the level to which these traits afflict his own handling of these topics in his book Nailed. What Christians need to realize is that regardless of whether Christianity is true or not, what Strobel and his team of “experts” are peddling to them so successfully is not. The department’s strong links to both church and clinical settings, along with the University’s extensive library holdings, make Aberdeen a dynamic and rich context in which to study theology’s capacity to contribute to the transformation of individual lives and Contemporary society.”. The closing point of the article is right on: why would a supreme being need any extra help to make himself and his will evident? I’ve written about why good Christians do bad things to win converts—things like preying on grade school children (a la Child Evangelism Fellowship) or preying on foreign students via “friendship missions.” I say preying, because the students are lonely, far from parents and far from home, and don’t know American culture well enough to realize they are marks. According to Luke 2: 39, they went to Nazareth and were not in the dangerous area of Bethlehem, where it is alleged that Herod had the children slain. The essay here above is just super! Lee Strobel. The doctrine of a unique conception seems to have no effect upon Christian teaching prior to its mention in the last part of the first century. click here to become a subscriber. a Homeric historian, or a historian of Platonic mythology, or Quranic historian (of whom many are atheists. In 2018, his assistant accused him of sexually harassing her during this same period, and he quickly retired, which prompted ten additional women to come forward and accuse him of sexual harassment. In reality, he was a lapsed Lutheran who became a pastor at a mega-church. Perhaps also to the point, or more to the point, is that Blomberg had concerns about how Strobel represented his views. Like the investigations I undertook at the Chicago Tribune, I would have no patience for half-baked claims or unsupported assertions. Pre-order The Case for Miracles & receive free bonus content! *[Note: Only two out of the 13 experts clearly have history degrees. Um seiner Frau, die zum Glauben fand, zu beweisen, dass der Glaube an Jesus ein Hirngespinst sei, recherchierte er das Leben Jesu. Fitzgerald: Strobel has claimed that the film is about “80% accurate,” which is completely ludicrous. Unless you are suggesting all theology departments in secular universities the Anglophone world are not objective, e.g. Thank you. In den Warenkorb. He is hardly giving a fair or accurate description. She is the author of Trusting Doubt: A Former Evangelical Looks at Old Beliefs in a New Light and Deas and Other Imaginings, and the founder of www.WisdomCommons.org. Thank you. I really like your skillful reasoning. Lee Strobel was the award-winning legal editor of The Chicago Tribune and is the best-selling author of The Case for Faith, The Case for Christ, and The Case for a Creator, all of which have been made into documentaries by Lionsgate. I’ve seen just the opposite. I will revisit it. But religion was largely a curiosity for her. Subscribe at ValerieTarico.com. For example, Strobel’s very first “expert,” Baptist preacher (and non-historian) Dr. Craig Bloomberg has since admitted that Strobel’s write-up of the interview was not verbatim but rather heavily paraphrased and full of what were, in Bloomberg’s view, “oversimplifications.” He said his initial impulse when he saw Strobel’s draft was to edit everything for accuracy, but in the end decided to correct only the worst problems (!). Yet despite the hoax being exposed in 2007, almost upon arrival, the film version of Case for Christ goes out of its way to name-drop Flew, and Christians are still repeating the bogus story. I like the ending, “if there is a god that’s anything like what Christians preach, he doesn’t need their sleight of hand to prop him up—does he?”. His 1998 book, The Case for Christ, has sold millions of copies, was made into a 2017 movie by the same name, and was recently re-issued in a “new and updated” edition. Tarico: What do you most wish that Strobel’s readers knew about him or about his books? Stories of supernatural conversions sound doubtful or unbelievable, yet congregants holler AMEN! * Dr. Craig Blomberg has since said that Strobel’s write-up of the interview was not verbatim but rather heavily paraphrased and full of what were, in Blomberg’s view, “oversimplifications.” He said his initial impulse when he saw Strobel’s draft was to edit  for accuracy, but in the end decided to correct only the worst problems(!). Januar 1952 in Arlington Heights, Illinois) ist ein US-amerikanischer Buchautor und früherer Journalist und Pastor. I know ALL the arguments and what lights their fire, and what they *want* to hear. Of course, like all biopics, they change things around, simplify storylines, blend characters, I get that. Thank you! Fitzgerald is the author of Nailed and Jesus: Mything in Action, part of The Complete Heretic’s Guide to Western Religion series. 40+ years later, I totally understand his statement (even though he was being funny). When people frame things in terms of eternity, heaven and hell, then all manner of bad behaviors can be construed as a lesser evil in the service of a greater good. I’m not arguing here–just looking for accurate information since I’m not actually interested in hosting information that is inaccurate. I have no doubt at all that Strobel is misleading his readers. For example, two of the “experts” he “interviewed” and purported to be so impressed with, don’t even exist. Thank you. There’s also a broad, ugly pattern of stretching the truth—or breaking with truth—to advance the cause of Christ. He accepts Jesus as his savior and proceeds to lay out those persuasive interviews in his book, which goes on, as I said, to become a religion best-seller. I’ve never had any of my essay printed, as they were during my own studies which led me and my wife out of the Christian faith. As a child, she and her family attended a Methodist church and later a Presbyterian church with her mother, who would sing hymns to her as a bedtime lullaby. As to your question above, please see “Rational Human’s” comment below about Hinduism. If we are not sure that the New Testament represents actual history, then even the title “NT historian” makes a mockery of real historians. Tarico: What about the points raised by these experts? For example, two of the “experts” he “interviewed” and purported to be so impressed with, don’t even exist. Fitzgerald: Strobel tells a very different version of events in one of the less-known books he wrote before his blockbuster, Inside the Mind of Unchurched Harry and Mary: How to Reach Friends and Family Who Avoid God and the Church. I can’t help but feeling a tad vindicated. AlterNet’s journalists work tirelessly to counter the traditional corporate media narrative. She will come to the truth on her own eventually. In this interview, he discusses how Strobel stretches the truth to the breaking point, and why. Support progressive journalism with a one-time contribution to AlterNet, or click here to become a subscriber. While investigating this, and reading Erhman’s “The Quest for the Historical Jesus of Nazareth,” as well as Zindler’s conter, “Bart Erhman and the Quest…”, I also came to the conclusion that the gospels (canonical and apocryphal) were probably fan fiction. Look at it as an outsider. Hosea 11:1) Why did they have to flee to Egypt ? Lee Strobel’s testimony comes from a highly acclaimed author, professor, Yale Law School Alumni and follower of Jesus Christ. Er gilt als einer der bekanntesten zeitgenössischen christlichen Apologeten Leben. Tarico: Gross. He accepts Jesus as his savior and proceeds to lay out those persuasive interviews in his book, which goes on, as I said, to become a religion best-seller. Lee Strobel SPEAKING REQUEST. His award-winning investigative reporting recently earned him a promotion to legal editor at the Chicago Tribune. His books include four Gold Medallion winners and the 2005 Christian Book of the Year (coauthored with Garry Poole). Those who know me will instantly dismiss his misleading rant. Although they don’t reflect the theological credentials that Blomberg has, both appear to be true. He is indeed ordained as a Baptist minister, and is indeed not a historian. I’m just curious. It is hard to understand that Mary would not inform them that Jesus was the “messiah” so that they might believe in him and thereby enjoy salvation, and what of Mary’s own reaction towards Jesus. Although this grossly oversimplifies, a theologian studies the history within a story, typically within some assumption of the veracity of the story. Tarico: How does the film version of Case for Christ compare with the book? Denver Seminary, where he teaches, requires alignment with this statement of faith: “We believe the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the inspired Word of God, inerrant in the original writings, complete as the revelation of God’s will for salvation, and the supreme and final authority in all matters to which they speak.”]. I myself am more interested in the psychology and sociology of religion, rather than either of these. from Augustana College with a triple major in mathematics, Spanish, and religion”. Auf den Merkzettel Merkzettel. The pair had taken advantage of Flew, who didn’t write a word of it and was by then suffering from progressive dementia. Would not she reveal this information to her family? Lee Strobel’s trademark investigative style paired with an uplifting message of the hope found in Jesus Christ. Every reader contribution, whatever the amount, makes a tremendous difference. Enjoyable read. This has been brought to your attention, yet you seem to not wish to address this in any substantive way (first you did by grant merit to this objection when you had a misinformed view of Aberdeen- one of the most respected secular institutions to study New Testament history in.). “Father Jose Maria Marquez” and agnostic “Purdue professor Roberta Waters” are completely fictitious characters. Fitzgerald: Oh, don’t get me started on David Barton—his book was so rife with false statements, his own publisher pulled his book off the shelves! How could Mary and Joseph forget that the wise men Magi worshipped Jesus as a baby and presented him with gold, frankincense, and myrrh? The skeptical stance is merely a literary device, because he fails to ask the questions or consult the experts who could show him wrong. The medieval campus is centred around the beautiful Kings College Campus and Chapel. January 12, … Yet we find that Jesus relatives, who came to seize him, Mark 3:21,31, are not told by Mary his mother, who comes and joins them, that contrary to what they think, Jesus is not crazy. Apparently they cannot with it. Yes, he drank in excess regularly. Why not? For many reasons, I don’t think there ever was a “Real Jesus”—but whether there was a genuine historical figure or not, our evidence for him is not great, and none of it appears connected to anyone who ever actually existed in the first century. After college, he landed a reporter job at the Chicago Tribune, where he tells us: “I thrived in the cutthroat environment, the adrenaline rush of deadlines, and the get-the-story-at-any-cost mentality. Webseite ansehen Max Ströbel - Wirtschaftsforum München. University of Aberdeen, Scotland (New Testament, specializing in the parables and the writings of Luke-Acts) Change ). Valerie Tarico is a psychologist and writer in Seattle, Washington. Fitzgerald is referring to the New Testament, Bloomberg does not have a theology degree, he has a PhD in * New Testament history* from a secular university (check the ethos database, his PhD, it was on the historicity of the gospels) and from one of the most respected universities in the world for NewTestanent scholarship. This idea comes to Strobel second-hand from Baptist preacher and disgraced Mississippi State University archeologist, E. Jerry Vardaman, who claimed to have uncovered a secret history of the ancient world, completely unknown to mainstream academia, in these tiny inscriptions. . And the rest of the book is just as full of inaccuracies. Trending Today. For example, Strobel’s very first interview is with Dr. Craig Blomberg, a Baptist seminary professor (not a historian). But there’s Hollywood bullshit, and then there is a deeper, more insidious kind of bullshit. B.A. Here is one of my essays. He hated it and was relieved after going through confirmation that he was done with “the religion thing.” As an adult, Strobel didn’t look into the evidence for God—he simply thought the idea of a God, angels and demons were absurd to begin with. It’s fascinating how he speaks the language of skepticism—and then somehow does the opposite. A hard-driving journalist, Lee Strobel was exactly where he expected to be at work: on top. Ex-Atheist Lee Strobel Shares 4 Powerful Facts That Prove Jesus Resurrected from the Dead. It’s this same beloved Evangelical trope: the “hard-core atheist” who succumbs to the evidence. As the Jonestown victims had chillingly reminded me, my faith is only as good as the one in whom it’s invested. In the few appearances that Mary herself makes in the gospels, during the lifetime of Jesus, there is no indication that she showed any understanding that her son Jesus, was the “son of God.” by means of a unique conception. Mistaken? Fitzgerald is the author of Nailed and Jesus: Mything in Action, part of The Complete Heretic’s Guide to Western Religion series. Fitzgerald: I can’t give him the benefit of that particular doubt anymore. Lee Strobel (* 25. This background supposedly equips Strobel to ask “the questions a tough-minded skeptic would ask.” Reblogged this on James' Ramblings and commented: Growing Up with Blood on our Hands, Dualing Holiday Displays at the State Capitol, Holiday Tips, Insights from Trusting Doubt, prefaced by brilliance from Nonstampcollector, Valerie Tarico – Former Fundamentalist and Author of The Dark Side, God's Emotions: Why The Biblical God is So Very Human, Musings & Rants: Life, Parenting, Relationships. The film version of Lee Strobel’s spiritual journey bears almost zero relationship to his real life story, but it presents the Lee Strobel Myth™ in every loving detail. The gospel of John states “For neither did his brothers believe in him” John 7: 5, Did Mary not inform the rest of her children of Jesus divine origins. Join Lee in this fascinating journey of discovery. Let’s resolve to keep an open mind and follow the facts wherever they take us—even if it’s to a conclusion that challenges us on the very deepest levels…. This idea comes to Strobel second-hand from Baptist preacher and disgraced Mississippi State University archeologist, E. Jerry Vardaman, who claimed to have uncovered a secret history of the ancient world, completely unknown to mainstream academia, in these tiny inscriptions. He is careful about what he claims explicitly, but the popularity of his franchise rests on this pivot, the idea of a hard-headed skeptic who set out to prove Christianity wrong but was just blown away by the evidence and had to surrender to Christ. Lee strives to accommodate as many requests as his schedule will allow. But what’s a little bit of lingual prestidigitation amongst apologists? Thanks. 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